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Post by Xtreme on Aug 24, 2005 0:04:52 GMT -5
still once he announces the new technology... wouldnt you think that it would be a strange coincidenc that a while after the rarest car in exsistance was stolen.. someone comes out with this waked out new technolgy? it would be enough to raise some conspirasy theorists ideas on the matter... if it gets investigated deep enough.. the car would be discovered and then hes screwed.. even if he tried to pin it on you guys
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Post by The Great Krass on Aug 24, 2005 0:18:37 GMT -5
heh heh heh,
Our Johnson may be greedy and tricky but he sure isn't smart! He may think he can change the tech enough so that it is not recognized. It certainly is not well known and why should anyone really question it once he puts it to use, especially if it doesn't need to LOOK like an EV1. JoAnne raised this point recently. "What makes anyone think he intends to market this? It may be that he can get rich in the Shadows offering a special service. For instance what if it acts like a drug? It isn't something he would market openly."
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Post by Xtreme on Aug 24, 2005 0:25:08 GMT -5
dang man... im all out of ideas... keep us updated though.. im gonna try and look for another possibilitys... just in case... perhaps the thought process is going to deep... the Johnson made an offer.. once you accept your gonna have to drop the what-ifs and do what you were paid to do... steal the car... no ands ifs or buts
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Post by GreatMilenko on Aug 24, 2005 1:06:25 GMT -5
I've got an couple new ideas...
Taking everyting you guys have posted... I agree it's a trap... What if (follow me here) the Johnson knows who has the car and has absolutely no interest in the car. As in we are a diversionary group masking the real theft. "Nuyen is no object" when you plan on having he runners caught or killed by the real team (or Errant Knight/Lonestar). With the ever increasing reputation of "Krass/Drassel & Associates, the corpcops would be up to their eyeballs backtracking investigative research into the organization.
What if the Johnson has already arranged for the car to be delivered to him, and we're stealing it from him? An antique car like that would be worth a fortune. He gets some insurance on the car, has it hijacked... now he gets the car and a pretty penny... (who can't use a couple hundred thousand clicks?)
Why would you need hardened runners like Eon, Krass, Ronilion and Fatman for a car heist..? Thats like hiring secret service men to chaperone the local middle school dance...
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Post by Eon on Aug 24, 2005 2:04:41 GMT -5
Great Milenko, You suggest the object of getting the car is to provide cover for a more insidious theft. I tend to disagree for a couple of reasons. The amount of Nu Yen the Johnson is willing to pay and the fact that he is putting name to a Krass/Drassel contract. If an investigation of the scale you envision starts because of his hanky panky the paper trail would lead right back to him. We do protect ourselves. The corp has been investigated before by outsiders. We are good at hiding what we don't want to be seen. On your second idea we again run up against the problem of why come to us in the first place? If you really have UNLIMITED Nu Yen why steal your own car for the insurance? If you don't have the NU YEN, then why not hire lower class runners to do the job cheaply? The lies are not consistent. While we also subscribe to the corporate policy of 'ALL JOHNSON'S LIE', we have to assume the Johnson came to us because we can do something that he can't get through ordinary channels. You stated: Why would you need hardened runners like Eon, Krass, Ronilion and Fatman for a car heist..? Thats like hiring secret service men to chaperon the local middle school dance... You answered your own question on the possibility of an insurance scam. The only answer to that question so far is: Krass/Drassel has a lot of power and clout. While the Johnson may have money he does NOT have the RESOURCES or CLOUT to get what he wants. That implies a reluctance to go head to head with a really powerful organization. Not one person but at the very least a corporate level brick wall.
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Post by GreatMilenko on Aug 24, 2005 3:06:48 GMT -5
You suggest the object of getting the car is to provide cover for a more insidious theft. I tend to disagree for a couple of reasons. The amount of Nu Yen the Johnson is willing to pay and the fact that he is putting name to a Krass/Drassel contract. Braveheart: "Arrows cost money... use up the Irish... the dead cost nothing..." I guess I'm still not sold on the fact Johnson intends to pay anything at all... We seem to be arguing the same point. Your company is too prestigious to be tracking down antique cars... If you really have UNLIMITED Nu Yen why steal your own car for the insurance? If you don't have the NU YEN, then why not hire lower class runners to do the job cheaply? The lies are not consistent. Doesn't that prove that its personal? And if he doesn't have the money, he doesn't hire lower runners for the very reason Ronilion said... "they have a tendancy to shoot things up." I would say the best plan if you're planning a scam is offer a lot of money to professionals... you have a good chance of getting what you want... kill (I guess the politicaly correct phrase would be "dispose of") the professionals... make money on whatever it is, albiet through an insurance scam, black market ops, etc. I am merely eliminating all other possibilities... when you take out all the remaining parts, whatevers left... no matter how ridiculous or unlikely... has to be the truth. Is this really about a car? Will you agree that it either about a car or it's about the runners... If you do agree, which is more logical?
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Post by Eon on Aug 24, 2005 3:30:17 GMT -5
Well, I just received this from JoAnne. As the corporate Secretary she has to keep track of where we are.
Krass/Drassel & Associates Task List: Taming of the Screw! Mr. Johnson # 1878
Questions the FATMAN has raised that require answers:
1.) If Mr. Johnson 1878 is willing to pay virtually unlimited NuYen, what about this vehicle makes it worth the effort?
Answer: The technology is nothing radical and is surpassed by present day knowledge. The only logical answers to this question are: 1.) Collector’s Historical or Intrinsic Value. 2.) A modern day interface may bring out hidden qualities in the tech.
Ronilion is currently still pursuing this area.
3.) Do any working models truly exist? (Remember, Mr. Johnson may have sent you after it, but it may be nothing but fairy dust.)
Answer: Yes, but we have discovered only one currently working model in the hands of a Private Collector. Klaus Von Wylius a high level, retired, but still very valuable corporate member of the Euro Firm Z-IC Note: Zeta-ImpChem: Z-IC is a ruthless company. That's how it survived a decades-long struggle over the chemical industry with none other than Saeder-Krupp. As it controls several member companies of the AG Chemie Europa consortium, Zeta-ImpChem pushed it into a more aggressive research and experimentation policy in the field of genetics. Z-IC dabbles in the domains of chemistry, food products, electronic components and medicine. Its industrial bases in Switzerland and UK are also housed with the financial branches to support the corporation. Klaus is currently living in a special Lone Star protected enclave in the Seattle area.
Krass is working this problem.
4.) What will be the 'Price of Failure"?
Unknown at this time.
5.) Considering the possible value, who else is likely to be involved? Escalations are so messy.
So far it would appear that we face possible Lone Star involvement and retaliatory possibilities from Z-IC. The Lone Star involvement can be deflected or controlled. However we have limited power when dealing with Euro-Corps.
Luddington has been dispatched to Europe to try to set up defenses and fall back obstacles.
6.) Is this a setup?
Answer: The consensus is that we are being used to deflect heavy retaliation and to apply leverage the Johnson cannot apply. As usual in these cases it is not REALLY a setup but a standard obstacle. As has been pointed out previously we exist to take heat for reluctant clients. The real question is can we handle the heat this run is likely to bring down? The answer is ‘Yes’ considering the level of current involvement.
7.) What kind of Security?
Answer: Not known at this time until we determine the exact location of the vehicle. When Krass discovers this it will be turned over to Eon and Ronilion for assessment.
8.) Where does the hash singer, the cross-eyed guy, the Pinhead, the all midget fiddlers, and crippled accountant fit into this? You must also consider, wisely, the Earthquake, the trolley car, the Falafel sandwich and the desert island as well.
Answer: Pending assignment.
Group Questions to be considered:
1.) We are to STEAL a CAR, give it to an unknown individual and collect a lot of NuYen without knowing anything else? Does this seem to be a BAD thing to anyone besides me?”
Answer: A vote by the members states this will be pursued but with caution.
2.) The car as a car is a herring, are we agreed there?
Answer: A vote by the members agree that the car is not wanted to compete in the market as a Car, but may have other uses.
3.) Should we accept the contract, realizing that if we do we are then BOUND to go through it?
Answer: A vote by the members is split at this time. Another vote will be taken when more information is procured.
4.) Should we subcontract this if we do accept it?
Answer: Parts of this run WILL almost certainly require some subcontracting, but if accepted the group will make the primary ‘recovery’.
5.) Are we dealing with a Collector or an Opportunist?
Answer: A vote by the members is almost unanimous that we are dealing with an opportunist who has not thought out the consequences and problems inherent in his course of action.
6.) Is the Johnson planning to renege on our bill?
Answer: A vote by the group believes the Johnson might be considering this. Mr. Drassel and Eon have been assigned to handle the possibility and to initiate collection proceedings if this should develop.
7.) What makes anyone think the Johnson intends to market this? It may be that he can get rich in the Shadows offering a special service. For instance what if it acts like a drug? It isn't something he would market openly.
Answer: A vote by the group believes that this development has one of two possibilities. The tech will be auctioned to the highest bidder or will be used for an illegal purpose by the principle. The big problem as envisioned by the group is the dangers inherent in a new technology and it’s use on current markets.
Where we stand: Overview:
Try this scenario on for size and see if it fits.
Our Johnson is a mid to high level corporate exec. He is NOT a big player in the corp world but has access to corp funds and has a boring job that is not closely monitored. Dr Patterson offered this comment. What if he works at a MEDICAL facility like say Doc Wagon or Crashcart? Now one day he is approving an expenditure when he really notices a strange Medical report.? A low level drone who made the report wouldn't have the imagination but he does and sees the chance to make a score! Now say this medical report deals with someone (A VERY RICH AND VERY PRIVATE COLLECTOR) who has had a very strange reaction to something in EV1 tech. This excites him and he wants to get hold of the car. However, he hasn't got the JUICE to leverage the collector and he certainly doesn't WANT to be seen by his bosses or anyone else. He needs someone with muscle! He goes to Krass/Drassel and uses his corp account to pass the preliminary screening. The money is good so Drassel takes the case. Johnson figures by the time anyone figures out what is happening he will have the car and everything will lead back to Krass/Drassel and we shouldn't talk until we finally get stiffed or he pays off and screws his own corp and runs. His corp is pissed at ours and he slips away in the firefight? Starting to make sense? Our Johnson may be greedy and tricky but he sure isn't smart! He may think he can change the tech enough so that it is not recognized. It certainly is not well known and why should anyone really question it once he puts it to use, especially if it doesn't need to LOOK like an EV1. What makes anyone think he intends to market this? It may be that he can get rich in the Shadows offering a special service. For instance what if it acts like a drug? It isn't something he would market openly.
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Post by The Fatman on Aug 24, 2005 4:11:27 GMT -5
I see everyone is having a good time with conspiracy theories today. If nothing else, this particular exercise gives everyone a chance to see some of the work the group actually puts into this. So far most of the logic I have seen has been impeccable.
By the way, for all the GUESTS who are lurking and reading, you are invited to make comments as well. This is not just open to members you know, which I suspect is why Krass placed it here initially.
I have already sent this update to the group but since others are following I'll post it here as well.
OOC: GM: This is a live update in the story line. Dr Patterson, you are monitoring the news broadcast as usual when you recognize a holo you have seen recently, it is Mr Johnson 1878.
News caster Info Babe in cheerful voice and smile, "Today Mr. Joshua Omea a mid level corporate executive at Doc Wagon was gunned down in broad daylight as he ate dinner at The Falafel Palace with Mr. Alfred Warner. No reason was given for this senseless violence and investigator's from Lone Star are still examining the crime scene." The view also then shows a closeup of a crippled man on crutches. "In a really bizarre note Mr. Warner an accountant for Doc Wagon was struck and killed shortly afterward in a trolley accident when he attempted to cross a trestle. His death has been ruled as accidental by Lone Star." She finishes with a smile, "It appears to have been a bad day for Doc Wagon and the Falafel business."
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Post by The Great Krass on Aug 24, 2005 7:07:37 GMT -5
FATMAN! YOU BASTARD! You KILLED my MONEY BEFORE the contract was signed. If I didn't want revenge so bad I would drop this run like a GREAT FLOWING TURD!
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Post by Ronilion on Aug 24, 2005 7:12:08 GMT -5
You're just going to piss everyone off today aren't you. Not only that but you might have the Fatdude and Eon after you at the same time. It's going to be Drek to be you. Think it through a minute. I know that's hard with your pencil wand for brains but WE could take up where the Johnson left off and grab the TECH or Collector's item for OURSELVES. If it is worth so much that someone is killing for it we most likely want it!
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Post by Xtreme on Aug 24, 2005 7:16:59 GMT -5
uhmmm.. I think that means you guys are NOT getting paid.. at least not by him
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Post by Ronilion on Aug 24, 2005 7:24:58 GMT -5
Morning Xtreme,
It would seem so. Krass is so burnt. Don't worry though we always take a certain amount up front. I am sure the work we have done is already covered. So what's your view on the latest?
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Post by Xtreme on Aug 24, 2005 7:25:02 GMT -5
hmmmm id be more worried about who killed him and why... a trolly incident really doesnt seem likely...
I reserched some cities rules when it comes to trolleys... maximum speed limit is 15 MPH... if this man was truly aged enough to need assistance to walk... then I would be suspicious of that alone... but then why didnt the " gunman" take him out in the resturaunt
on top of that if those 2 were eating.. and one guy was shot... why did Lonestar release the old man so quickly? there is still such thing as witnesses and investigations
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Post by Ronilion on Aug 24, 2005 7:30:57 GMT -5
Yep stinks doesn't it. Which means Lone Star did the hits. We figured that right away. Eon is tracing it. Now the BIG question how did Lone Star get involved before we did the 'recovery'. They should not be involved this early. I'll bet no one will investigate this except us.
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Post by Xtreme on Aug 24, 2005 7:39:36 GMT -5
but why would Lonestar partake in that unless someone else knew what the Johnson was going to do... or how did someone else know what he knew... one theory is the old man spilled his beans for a chunk of warm apple pie.. thats why he wasnt killed by the gunman... but then pushing him in front of a trolley ( assuming thats what happened... 15 MPH isnt that fast... also unlikely to kill someone upon impact) im feeding my daughter at the same time im talking so I may post tid-bits here and there
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