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Post by GreatMilenko on Aug 17, 2005 20:16:02 GMT -5
I have witnessed several posts indicating that people are skeptical of their Johnson and want to get "an edge" on them. Let it be known RIGHT NOW that if you mess with a johnson and slightly tick them off, you will jeopardize future runs for you and the party involved. If you really make them mad, your character will be hunted to the full resources of the Johnson... that means Johnsons will do whatever it takes to dispose of you... and any other people that may have been involved.
If necessary I will create campaigns specifically designed to exact revenge on any runners that have earned a johnson's wrath... if lucky, you may take out the johnson and his army before they take you out.
Use common sense here guys... these johnsons pick you because they want to stay anonymous and know you have no credibility and most likely enough intelligence to know not to try anything.
I laughed when I read someone in Sxygmrs1 campaign thought there might be a catch to the run... theres ALWAYS a catch... if it was as cut and dry as it sounds, they wouldn't need shadowrunners.
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Post by Braddoc on Aug 17, 2005 20:23:42 GMT -5
Damn...I wanted to see that orc pull out a Panther Cannon and blow half the block.
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Post by ChaosEsper on Aug 17, 2005 21:33:04 GMT -5
lol, hope you're not talking about me there. Stuff I'm trying to pull is quite professional in my mind, but if you have a different opinion let me know. I'm just trying to get a read on the J's emotional state, and a pic to use to ID the J to know what I'm getting into here.
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Post by GreatMilenko on Aug 18, 2005 9:24:53 GMT -5
Actually it was Mwiland who started trying to grill the Johnson as to why he appeared nervous. This is not really at anyone in specific, our campaign had a fair share of peeps trying to get the drop on a johnson too... I, myself was going to go against my Johnson if I found him in the wrong... I am aware that Johnsons are very unforgiving, I would have accepted the concequences. The group picked me as the leader and being new to the run community, I'm portraying more of a Paladin personality... This is not to disuade anyone from doing anything at all... I just dont want anyone yelling "foul, not fair!!!" if they screw a Johnson and he screws them a whole lot harder... Johnsons are just as aware that runners would love to get the drop on them as much as runners are sure that Johnsons always hold a tidbit of information pertinant ot the campaigns success. Play your characters guys... just be aware that this route will have concequences Not that messing with a Johnson isn't fun
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Post by ChaosEsper on Aug 18, 2005 23:16:26 GMT -5
lol, as long as you have the upper hand it can be quite fun. Or the GM is tired, and if both circumstances can be arranged, all the better.
However, by letting my players spend the night at my house for runs, I don't really follow the implied advice there lol.
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Post by GreatMilenko on Aug 19, 2005 13:04:11 GMT -5
lol...
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Post by Falindraun on Aug 21, 2005 19:07:59 GMT -5
anything that i say like that is said IN CHARACTER and if a gm has a problem with something i say in or out of char LET THAT GM SAY IT till then...well lest to say uv royaly pissed me off iv been running for at least 10 years and i know how far i can push a johnson so lay off im always skeptical of my johnsons its part of all my chars if you dont like the way i run then dont include me i play off of and (try) to use everything that the gm says, if he/she says that the johnson is nervous im going to use it cause if im not then the gm wouldnt have said it in the first place. and yes i know that your a corp around here and are supposed to monitor everything but next time you want to take a pot shot at me sent it pm
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Post by Xtreme on Aug 21, 2005 19:19:26 GMT -5
whoa whoa dude... relax now... its all good n fun till someone takes it too seriously... I do the same thing to my Johnsons and Milenko knows that.. he says the same thing to me.. theres no problem with the way you play your char... if thats your characters nature then so be it.. we can end this topic now please...
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Post by Falindraun on Aug 21, 2005 20:20:40 GMT -5
sorry bout being on the edgy side somebody cut me off in the mountians here in colorado and almost put me and all my family at the botom of a mountian so i appologize for being so gruff
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Post by Xtreme on Aug 21, 2005 22:19:32 GMT -5
its all good man... we all have our snapping days
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Post by Falindraun on Aug 21, 2005 23:44:06 GMT -5
its ok man (sorry bout that) :S
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2005 1:11:50 GMT -5
I have witnessed several posts indicating that people are skeptical of their Johnson and want to get "an edge" on them. Let it be known RIGHT NOW that if you mess with a johnson and slightly tick them off, you will jeopardize future runs for you and the party involved. If you really make them mad, your character will be hunted to the full resources of the Johnson... that means Johnsons will do whatever it takes to dispose of you... and any other people that may have been involved. If necessary I will create campaigns specifically designed to exact revenge on any runners that have earned a johnson's wrath... if lucky, you may take out the johnson and his army before they take you out. Use common sense here guys... these johnsons pick you because they want to stay anonymous and know you have no credibility and most likely enough intelligence to know not to try anything. I laughed when I read someone in Sxygmrs1 campaign thought there might be a catch to the run... theres ALWAYS a catch... if it was as cut and dry as it sounds, they wouldn't need shadowrunners. I disagree with you Milenko, and heres why. If you frag with a Johnson it should depend on what they had you doing, and what you did in response. Example 1. I grill a johnson about info he's not giving me. He might not like it, but If I get the job done then he's not likely going to care much. Example 2. I pull a gun on a Johnson, then I'll be lucky to leave the meet alive, and If I do, and the Johnson does as well. Then I don't think I'll be getting many job offers from that corp/group for a while, and dependingon who exactly the johnson was there may in fact be a hit team on my hoop. You really have to tick off most Johnsons before they start going out of their way to send people after you. Because that costs money, and Since most Johnsons are doing what they do on the down low. They aren't likely to even mention that a runner got the better of them, they're just likely to make it known that you are unreliable. Now if you don't deliver on the run, or try a doublecross then you're likely to end up on the wrong side of a hit team,(depending on the resources of the Johnson) but expected results usually (not always) equal the effort they put out to get you, and those kinds of things happen all the time in Shadowrun. I feel that it should be the Gms call when their Johnsons been shoved too far, if they need or want advice from you then thats fine. But I don't think you should try to force anyone into a campaign where their characters have to take someone on, just because you feel thats how it should work. I've run games where the Johnson has been all over the characters for the slightest sign of disrespect, and one where the characters got away with killing a particularly Arrogant and demeaning Johnson becaus they were both discrete about it, and had a rep that they were pros that should not be fragged around with. *shrug* it goes both ways. I'd rather everyone have fun, and I do expect that someday Wick will have a Johnson after his hoop, its just the way things go. But if I do feel your rulings are unfair or biased, I will have the courtesy to tell you, before I drop the site like a hot potato.
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Post by Xtreme on Aug 29, 2005 11:33:24 GMT -5
you should have Melinko tell ya what Dom did to the last Johnson that he thought fuked him over
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Post by sabosect on Aug 30, 2005 23:57:12 GMT -5
Personally, I have it that Nerlata never trusts a Johnson and expects them not to trust her. That's the shadows, and she accepts it. She feels this way: She's paid to do a job, not to be someone they can confide in.
Now, I'll admit this is not on her character sheet. Unfortunately, that's a side-effect of new characters. As I play her and develop her more fully, I'll add her emerging personality traits to her character sheet.
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Post by GreatMilenko on Sept 1, 2005 10:44:23 GMT -5
If you really make them mad, your character will be hunted to the full resources of the Johnson... that means Johnsons will do whatever it takes to dispose of you... and any other people that may have been involved. I'm not sure to the degree that your "fragging with a johnson" means, but I'm talking about profiling a Johnson to get the drop on him later on. (blackmail, doublecrossing, etc) Now, this was not meant to send people into a defensive frenzy. Let's just pretend for a second (humor me) that not everyone here has been playing for 10+ years and lack the expertise of the majority of people here. When I wrote this we had 2 GM's. Mechwarrior who hadn't run a campaign in years, and 1sxygmrs who has never ran a campaign in her life till now. My main concern was people who might get the notion that you can do something really bad (like killing/blackmailing a johnson) in one campaign and it would end when the campaign ended. There is a BIG difference between asking a Johnson "is there anything else you're not telling us?" and "Why are you sweating like a wet pig? Nervous about how you're gonna screw us?" and "I'm gonna blow yer fragging hoop out the back of your neck if you even THINK about crossing us!!!" Any corporate Johnson would have at least a wagemage and a handful of bodyguards to deal with non-compliant shadowrunners... you don't get to be in a high position of ANY mega-corp without knowing how to eliminate any and all competition. It is true that occasionally you have a Johnson that is 100% straight shooting... it's about as common as a non-sexual, non-violent episode of Jerry Springer. I should have been more specific when I wrote that, and to that I apologize for those who were offended. If you wanna try that on a campaign Xtreme or myself is running, bring it. I just don't want to see seasoned runners taking advantage of inexperienced GMs. I AM NOT SAYING YOU ALL WOULD!!![/size] (i can already see the defensive posts... *sigh*)
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